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Glenn Tilbrook: Fresh Squeezed
Date: 11/18/2002
Author: Larry Queen
As the Punk explosion roared out of London and New York
in the mid and late '70s, Britain's Squeeze successfully
married 60's guitar pop with elements of Motown spawning
scads of hits worldwide such as "Tempted," and
"Pulling Mussels (From The Shell)."
And
nearly twenty-five years later, Squeeze co-founder/guitarist/vocalist
Glenn Tilbrook is still pulling songs from the well. Currently,
he's on tour in support of his first solo release, "The
Incomplete Glenn Tilbrook," recorded for his own Quixotic
Records on which he collaborated with a number of friends
including Aimiee Mann and Ron Sexsmith.
The
record is a reflection of the classic pop genius that Tilbrook
possesses — a genius that continues its tryst with
Motown. In fact, R&B has informed his songwriting for
most of his career.
"Very
much so," he says while taking a day off in New Jersey.
"I never got the full perspective on Motown over (in
America). Obviously there were songs that were big, but
the whole Motown thing was so big over in Britain in '60s
that it was right up there with all the other classic pop
music that was being made at that time. When I was growing
up it was all one. Although there was Motown, and other
British groups and American groups it was all part of one
big thing to me, and I didn't see where the lines were drawn.
Although, I have to say it all took a few years for that
to come out in the way that we wrote. I went sort of rocky
for a while — probably by East Side Story that side
started to come out again."
But,
he says often the songs start off as pop rock songs only
to undergo a change in the arranging process.
"I've
always thought the way that songs arrive when you write
them isn't necessarily the way they'll end up being. You
can try different hats on for arrangements, and that can
be a good thing. It can bring a different perspective to
a song. Say, for instance, "Tempted." That wasn't
written as an R&B song. It was written as a pop song.
And with that arrangement it all clicked into place. It's
ten times a better song than it was the other way."
This
time out Tilbrook's tour is being sponsored by VH-1 as part
of their VH-1 Classic series. In a genre populated by the
Stones, Zeppelin, etc., it's odd to think of Squeeze as
a "Classic" act. And in revisiting "classic"
Squeeze records like East Side Story, and ArgyBargy —
both released in the early '80s — it's surprising
how current they both sound.
"That's
an interesting thing about Squeeze, I think," says
Tilbrook. "I think we're lucky enough that most of
our records actually don't sound dated to me. They sound
off the margins. In fact, I think the only records that
Squeeze made that sound really dated are the ones we tried
to be contemporary with. Cosi Fan Tutti Frutti now sounds
like a real 80's record to me, and not in a particularly
favorable light. Not because of the synthesizers, but because
of the production values, and the way we recorded it. It
was very labored. And I'm not against labored records. They
can be good because they were labored. But Cosi Fan…
was not labored in a good way, in my opinion. We were always
outside of what was happening, and if what was happening
coincided with what we were doing it was more a question
of luck and judgement on our part, I think."
What would he change given the opportunity?
"There's
not that much that I would change really. I'd speed it up
and shorten it probably. But that's just me from my prospective.
I listen to most of the Squeeze records, and I think that's
what we sounded like at the time and I think it's an accurate
portrayal of the band."
Squeeze
released 13 studio albums, seven Greatest Hits collections
and a live album recorded at Royal Albert Hall. And despite
efforts at times to sound contemporary they managed to sound
timeless. So what ultimately happened to this band that
survived a break up early on, only to come back to score
some of the biggest hits of its career?
"It
was that classic thing when you have a group," explains
Tilbrook. "I read something Sting said the other day…
'You have a chance, and you take it. And what you do with
it is up to you. And, being smart helps.' I thought that
was a good quote. That's at least half the story with Squeeze.
We, at times, either didn't have luck or management on our
side. And, those things can be important. Particularly management,
as well. Our manager at the time was both the Police's manager
and ours. You can't manage two "world-breaking"
bands at the same time.
"The
Police were the one's that broke, and we didn't," he
says. "The Police were much more of a marketing thing,
in terms of their being savvy about their image. We weren't.
We definitely weren't. We were like, 'The music is what
we were all about,' and we were very anti-image. So that
worked against us. That was all our own doing. I'm not pointing
fingers at anyone else except us. We were equally to blame
for our lack of success in terms of not crossing up to the
next level. I say that without a hint of regret. It's just
what happened."
And,
it's true. He has no regret in his voice when he talks about
it. In fact, if anything, there is true affection —
not longing — but a genuine fondness for his life
in Squeeze. But that life came to an end in the late '90s.
He tries to remember the exact moment the band decided to
call it a day, but there was little communication, and a
myriad of variables that contributed.
"I'm not quite sure (when it happened) really, because
Chris left without telling me properly," recalls Tilbrook.
"I think he couldn't tell me for whatever reason. He
just didn't turn up for a tour when we toured over here
in 1998, so we toured as a four piece. We were about to
get on the plane, and Chris said he wasn't… he had
some problems at the time. He's been in AA for nearly ten
years now, and he felt at some point he was in danger of
slipping. I think touring represents that to him. It's not
something I hold against him at all. But, after that I think
he'd just had enough. I think... always that our dream with
Squeeze was that it would get bigger, and, in spite of the
evidence, we kept on thinking that for the longest time.
We thought we were making good records. Certainly throughout
the '90s, I was happy with our output. But, if they don't
do the trick commercially, no matter how good you think
they are it can be frustrating if no one knows about them.
I think Chris felt that more keenly than, and in a different
way, than I felt it."
There were several indications that the end was near. Difford's
battle with the bottle was just part of the problem. His
general disinterest was becoming as issue as well.
"When
we did Domino, this was something I very much wanted to
do — to have control over the way we made the record,"
recalls Tilbrook. "In retrospect I can see that Chris
didn't really want to put any time in, and neither did he
want to tour. So his heart had gone out of it by that point.
So the long-winded answer to your question is that we broke
up in 1998.
And so it was.
On
this tour it's just Tilbrook and his guitar — stark
naked against a band-less background. And, for the most
part, he's fine with that.
"I
don't want to sound like I don't miss Squeeze. I miss having
a band. I miss the dynamics and the range of a band. But
what I love about playing by myself is the communication
you can build with an audience. That's something I would
never like to lose. Let's say, in an imaginary set of circumstances
where I'm far more successful than I am, I would never give
up touring by myself. (I would) do what Lyle Lovett does.
He tours with his small band, he tours with his big band,
and he tours by himself. All of those things work, and have
things that work about them."
Recently,
Tilbrook has become somewhat of an acoustic "Pied Piper,"
leading his audiences outside, and into the streets, parking
lots, and alleyways surrounding the venues he has played,
but he's stopped doing it because of the media coverage.
"The
danger in my having done it is that people expect me to
do it," he says. "It's like Jimi Hendrix setting
his guitar on fire, except on a smaller scale. I won’t
say that I won't, but I've been concentrating on the shows
inside and not have that as an expected thing. It's been
enormous fun though."
The
connection is what Tilbrook is really searching for on stage.
"The
most important aspect of a show is communication between
me and the audience," he says. "That's what (going
outside) is all about. Nine times out of ten, when I've
taken everyone outside, it's a device to immediately create
— by breaking down everyone's expectations —
a bond between everyone."
This tour will take him across the U.S., and wrap up in
San Francisco, CA, on Dec. 14. Tilbrook says he and Difford
are still writing together on occasion, and that they wrote
a song together as recently as last year. He also says that
while a touring Squeeze is unlikely, collaboration between
the two long time songwriting partners is very probable.
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